Curse

SOT · May 22, 2005, 11:18 AM // 11:18

I personally plan on taking my children someday (when I have them) to Lake Baghdad *wicked grin*

Adaria · May 22, 2005, 10:37 PM // 22:37

Excuse me, but even though a man has done such horrible things, does it give us the right to become that man by doing the same to them? Is it justice, or does it merely show we are no better in true morality than he who committed the crimes in the first place?

Even if he were the absolute evil in the world, would it make us any better to do the same to him, by calling it 'justice' and trying to justify it by that or any other means?

Justice is an excuse, "He was horrible to his people, blah blah blah" is an excuse.

Though I personally do not like this man, I'm pretty certain like every one of us he bleeds just as well and has at least SOME feelings under his skin. Dare I even use the term 'misunderstood'? Though that might be pushing something.

A phrase I have heard and like to use, though it may be applied differently here... "Kill them with kindness when they attempt to kill you with harsh words or actions.", The last bit of that I added but the "Kill with kindness" works well, perhaps not in this instance, but it shows nothing to be as Saddam was to his victims, nothing more than that we are no better in ways...

I'm repeating myself a bit so I shall leave it at this...

PhineasToke · May 23, 2005, 05:08 AM // 05:08

To stoop to the level of madmen makes you as mad.

We exorcised Saddam from Iraq, but we continue to kill civilians randomly in the name of "freedom", devastate the country we claim to be rebuilding, and have allowed Afghanistan to become the number one supplier of opium poppies in the world AFTER we freed it from the Taliban.

What a price for someone's vision of "freedom"?

Adaria · May 23, 2005, 05:51 AM // 05:51

My cousin is in the marines, and soon he will return to Iraq, he faced so many horrors when over there. But he CHOSE to do it... Friends died in his arms, he escaped death more times than we can count, he was the lucky one out of his group, forget what they called him but he seriously had someone watching out for him. He's going to be on a carrier when he goes back, so it won't be so bad...

Though civilians, ours or Iraqi are dying, part of them chose it, part of them not, but unfortunately, it may be necessary. Democracy might be building in Iraq more and more and I hope we get our people out of there soon. I'm not for the war, but I am for the soldiers who fight.

Saddam was a nightmare, now thanks to our actions, look at the world view, look at Lebanon and Beirut, things are slowly changing, but what I ask is it for the better or worse? Only time will tell if true corruption will slowly seep into the world system, unless it already has...

Anyway, I babble on aimlessly, think about what I've said carefully, and think of all aspects of the situations through others' eyes to get a better appreciation of all of the situations, even Saddam's, though he was indeed a horror...

SOT · May 23, 2005, 07:03 AM // 07:03

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Originally Posted by Adaria

My cousin is in the marines

Mine died over there.

My bias against the war therefore, is four-fold:

a) Iraq is in far worse shape economically,socially,medically,technologically and also religiously than before us bubba's got fired up for some freedom makin' fun in the sun.

b) Those people over there, the vast majority you see and hear about (not cnn and cable news, those are planted viruses in popular opinion), do NOT want us there. We got Saddam. That's it. We should come home and stop wasting all that is being wasted (I won't become cliche' and list the groceries here).

c) What the **** happened to the WMD thing? It has been shown across the spectrum of media, whether sensational or not, that the mother****er LIED about it all. It just sorta died. Why are we, as a nation, not FORCING the people responsible for out of office? We will impeach a now former president for getting sucked off by a *****, but we will not hold to task a man who, whether through ignorance and a subsequent face-save, or outright self-serving greed, lied in a manner that was DESIGNED to start a war? Because it' easier to bitch about in a blog, that's why.

d) We put Saddam into power back in the late 60's. Most of his military hardware was surplus and outmoded U.S. equipment (just like the majority of Russia's current submarine division of her navy). We enabled, armed and actually employed the man in unofficially sanctioned operations in conjunction with the UN in the middle 70's. Then we changed our mind. That is not the pursuit of democracy on foreign soil, that is imperialism. It seems we in America end up in wars with people we arm first. Real sensible isn't it?

Remember Rome? I rest my ****ing case.

Adaria · May 23, 2005, 04:55 PM // 16:55

Whoa easy there SOT, slow down before this turns into a huge flame about Bush.

Just want to say one thing, no government is perfect, no one person is perfect, and a s a whole, there are many countries that are f-ed up more than just politically.

Personally, this is why I despise politics altogether. Hell, even I think I could be a better president then Bush or Kerry... But, it'll never happen, because it always seems to be the ones with high-up leverage or the money that get it, never the ones who might truly be something, but are ignored due to lack of status, or money...

And, before I start flaming, I'm out.

Dreamsmith · May 23, 2005, 08:42 PM // 20:42

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Originally Posted by Adaria

... before this turns into a huge flame ...

Which it did. After deleting eight posts in a row, I've decided this thread needs to be put out of our misery, before I have to delete yet another round of flames.